Um, well, we listened to aggressively cheerful music sung by people chosen for their ability to dance. Then we ate cookie dough, and talked about boys.

Giles ,'Get It Done'


The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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By consensus, this thread is reopened specifically to discuss Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It will be closed again once that discussion has run its course.

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Topic!Cindy - Nov 15, 2004 11:59:26 am PST #765 of 3301
What is even happening?

Okay, I'm just going to dive in, and pose a question to y'all, from the discussion questions at this site: [link]

This chapter [ch. 7] includes the central moment of this novel and requires a great deal of reflection. Diamant reinterprets Dinah's rape as a misunderstood love affair. How do we respond to this? In the Bible, the Hebrew word for "rape" is used. Is it possible that Dinah's brothers misinterpreted her relationship to this man? Or does Diamant take her midrash too far?

I'd like to know what people think, particularly those who have read the corresponding Bible chapter (if you haven't, here's a link just to Genesis 34: [link] You'll note, the translation (NIV) I've just linked doesn't say Shechem raped Dinah. Instead, it says he took her and her. The King James translation says he lay with her, and defiled her. [link] More modern translations use rape, but from what I can find of the Hebrew (in an exhaustive concordance), those translations choosing to use that word because of the larger context.

The Red Tent is midrash, so there's no wrong answer to this question. I'm just interested in your opinions. The purpose of midrash, as I understand it, is to fill in the blanks, but Diamant is not* pretending her take is authoritative. She had a story she wanted to tell.

* edited because leaving out one little word can completely change a sentence. Huh.


Wolfram - Nov 15, 2004 12:16:24 pm PST #766 of 3301
Visilurking

Don't kill me, but I haven't read it yet. Soon as I do, I'll be a mad poster what posts like mad.


Connie Neil - Nov 15, 2004 12:20:07 pm PST #767 of 3301
brillig

I haven't got that far. I'm not that familiar with the relevant scripture, and now I'm perplexed on how all the introductory chapters on her mothers is going to be relevant to the "rape".


Connie Neil - Nov 15, 2004 12:21:24 pm PST #768 of 3301
brillig

I found the women's view of religion interesting, especially juxtaposed with Jacob's religion.

(I keep having to say "Joseph and the Amazing etc." to remember if Dad is Jacob or Joseph.)


sumi - Nov 15, 2004 12:27:35 pm PST #769 of 3301
Art Crawl!!!

Hee.

I found my copy of the book but have not started re-reading it yet.


sumi - Nov 15, 2004 12:27:40 pm PST #770 of 3301
Art Crawl!!!

sumi - Nov 15, 2004 12:27:47 pm PST #771 of 3301
Art Crawl!!!

Man, double-posting I understand -- but how the heck did I manage to triple post?


Amy - Nov 15, 2004 12:37:56 pm PST #772 of 3301
Because books.

I started the book, and am so far loving the writing, but I'm only about a chapter in. If anyone's still discussing it next week when I will have (hopefully, because someone kill me if not) finished writing for my own deadline (and also finished reading), I will post then, a la Wolfram.


JenP - Nov 15, 2004 12:51:13 pm PST #773 of 3301

I put it on hold at the library way late, and then I was number two on the list, so ... still waiting. Of course, I have the next two sitting in my room. Thank goodness for online renewal. Anyway. Working on it.


libkitty - Nov 15, 2004 1:04:06 pm PST #774 of 3301
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I read it, but meant to re-read it and have not done that yet, so I will wait to discuss until later this week or early next. It just makes the anticipation last longer.