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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

This thread is a focused discussion group. Please see the first post below for the current topic and upcoming book discussions. While natter will inevitably happen, we encourage you to treat this like a virtual book club and try to keep your posts in that spirit.

By consensus, this thread is reopened specifically to discuss Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It will be closed again once that discussion has run its course.

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Connie Neil - Nov 09, 2004 6:44:17 pm PST #745 of 3301
brillig

You mean the paintings? I know, my knowledge of modern art is insufficient to properly visualize what they must have looked like. My brain kept going to this El Greco/Dali place.


Stephanie - Nov 10, 2004 2:13:16 am PST #746 of 3301
Trust my rage

The paintings, the sculptures, his apartment in Paris, the street in Brooklyn. Also, I would have liked to have seen the progession from Asher's drawings (not art) to his paintings (art). The Kahn character made the point that drawing something is not always art. I get that in my head, but it would have been really neat to have actually seen it.

A movie would probably ruin it, though.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2004 4:21:41 am PST #747 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There are some paintings here that Potok did, including one of "Brooklyn Crucifixion." When I first saw that site, I was somewhat disappointed, because that's totally not how I'd pictured that painting looking.


Polter-Cow - Nov 10, 2004 4:38:07 am PST #748 of 3301
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

When I first saw that site, I was somewhat disappointed, because that's totally not how I'd pictured that painting looking.

Whoa, me neither.


Wolfram - Nov 10, 2004 4:43:20 am PST #749 of 3301
Visilurking

I don't think that's the way Potok pictured Asher Lev's painting. From the description, the Brooklyn Crucifixion rendered Asher's mother's face quite clearly, as well as his and his father's. Potok's painting doesn't even come close.

And I also would have loved to see all the art being described, but I don't think anyone could actually do those descriptions justice.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 12, 2004 4:09:03 am PST #750 of 3301
What is even happening?

Which Book of the Bible is The Red Tent based on? And which Bible can it be found in? Because I was thinking it would be kind of cool to read them in tandem.

Most of the biblical parts come from chapter 34 of Genesis. (And the several chapters before it, too, but that's where the main part of Dina's story comes from.)

As Hil said, what there is of Dinah's story in the Bible is in Genesis, chapter 34. That said, there isn't much. That was Diamant's aim, to flesh it out, in a way that the story made sense to her, and to tell the stories of women who lived at that time. Other than Genesis 34, I think Dinah is only mentioned in Genesis 30 (a mention of her birth), and Genesis 46 (which notes which children Leah bore with Jacob aka Israel). As far as I know, you'll find Genesis first in any Jewish or Christian Bible. If you don't have a Bible, or don't have a translation that strikes you as readable, you can read the Bible online here: [link]

At that site, you can choose the translation (or paraphrase) you prefer. As far as Christian versions of the bible go, The King James Version (KJV on that site) was a literal word-for-word translation and considered accurate for the time. That said, in all those centuries, some English words and expressions have changed meaning, or fallen into disuse, and it's not the most readable. There is a New King James translation as well. I have no experience with it, so I can't tell you, one way or another.

The New International Version (NIV) is, in my mind, a fairly solid modern translation, although it uses a different method than was used with the KJV. The New Living Translation (NLT) and The Message (MSG) are paraphrases. Although I wouldn't recommend for any serious study, they are highly readable for something like this, where what you are looking at is the story.

Jacob's story, which is worth the reading in and of itself, as well as for context for The Red Tent, (incl. his marriages, the fertility of his wives, his religion, his familial history, his sons/Dinah's brothers, etc.) starts in Genesis 25 and continues through Genesis 50. His wives come into it, in chapter 29. The period of time covered from chapters 25-50 is the biblical period which maps to Diamant's story. For those who are unfamiliar, if you want more backstory and have the time, that's what I'd recommend you read.

Dinah's father Jacob, is twin brother of Esau, son of Isaac, and grandson of Abraham. For people who want the further context of the covenental relationship between Israel (the man Jacob became, and the nation itself, because Jacob/Israel is the father of the 12 tribes, as well as the father of Joseph of technicolor dreamcoat fame) and G-d, you might even want to start with Abraham's story (which he starts out as Abram), in Genesis 11.

That said, there's no reason anyone can't discuss the book without reading the parallel chapters in the Bible, because The Red Tent is midrash, or what we might think of as fan fic (but I can't emphasize how beautifully crafted and told this story is). It fleshes out a character who is barely mentioned in the Bible, except for one very action packed chapter. Diamant built her story on historical information available about the women of the times.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 12, 2004 4:22:51 am PST #751 of 3301
What is even happening?

cereal...

Anita Diamant has a website, with a page dedicated to The Red Tent, and a separate FAQ for The Red Tent. She also links to an outside site, and recommends their Reading Group Guide which contains discussion questions.

The second outside link she provides is no longer valid. I think I've found the page it links to though. It is here: [link] . That study guide is really detailed, and worth a look for our discussion as well, I think.

The story is really a woman's story, but I hope our men enjoy it too, because I think it is worthwhile. There is a she said/he said type review here: [link] that people might want to take a look at, as well.


Wolfram - Nov 12, 2004 6:39:29 am PST #752 of 3301
Visilurking

Cindy, if discussion starts on this book Monday, would you mind crafting an announcement for Press? And could you also include our two upcoming book discussion dates?


Daisy Jane - Nov 12, 2004 7:23:45 am PST #753 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Y'know what? I may actually be able to participate. I didn't think I had the time to go out and get a new book let alone read it, but it turns out I just finished my bedtime book, I'll probably be in bed all weekend, and I happen to have the book in my trunk (I just noticed it was there yesterday, and I have no idea how it got there or whose it is).


Topic!Cindy - Nov 12, 2004 7:30:44 am PST #754 of 3301
What is even happening?

Sure thing, Wolfram. Do I wait until the 15th, or would it be better to post it, today?

Heather, I read this book in a couple of days, and my kids were a couple of years younger, then. I almost never get to read, but I couldn't put it down. Gah. I don't want to be talking it up too much, and leave everyone disappointed. Shutting up, now.