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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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libkitty - Sep 19, 2004 12:13:12 pm PDT #619 of 3301
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

By the end of the book I could almost understand the community's love and reverence for the man.

I did understand it. I was predisposed to not like him, but as written, the Rebbe seems like a truly holy man to me, part of a tradition, but not bound by it. This does tap into something that is also difficult for me, the idea of "holy people." I can understand regular rabbis or priests or whatever, who have the training, time and inclination to provide guidance. And I see people out there who appear to be "better than" (Mother Theresa, Ghandi), but it's hard for me to square these people and the concept with the world and people I see around me in daily life. Sorry for the incoherance on this, but it's hard for me to write on this, since I haven't figured it out for myself yet.


Connie Neil - Sep 19, 2004 12:30:21 pm PDT #620 of 3301
brillig

Re: the Rebbe--I was surprised by him as well. I always got the impression that he knew his people didn't quite get the whole message but he loved them all for working so hard. The fact that the Rebbe knew Jacob so well and that Jacob had great respect for the Rebbe was very telling. The Rebbe transcended boundaries that the less-enlightened couldn't.


Wolfram - Sep 20, 2004 5:46:25 am PDT #621 of 3301
Visilurking

I was also predisposed not to like the Rebbe. To me, people should be empowered to make their own decisions in life, not trained to consult with a 'holy man' to figure out what they need to do. In my personal life, if I have a question about Jewish law, I'll ask a Rabbi, but if I have a question about what profession to be in, or where to live, I'll make that decision with my family and nobody else.

That being said, I was also surprised to find myself really liking and respecting the character of the Rebbe. He didn't so much as tell his Hasidim what to do, as advise them. He is certainly a shrewd man, but it also comes across that he loves all his people and really tries to do what's best for them. And he was the only person in the Ladover community (with the possible exception of Asher's uncle) who did not have a knee-jerk reaction to Asher's chosen lifestyle.


Connie Neil - Sep 20, 2004 5:52:47 am PDT #622 of 3301
brillig

Still, for all the support the uncle gave, the room where the art materials were stored was the only one in the house that didn't have the (blanking on proper name) protective emblem on the door jamb.


Wolfram - Sep 20, 2004 5:53:27 am PDT #623 of 3301
Visilurking

Mezuzah


Trudy Booth - Sep 20, 2004 8:28:33 am PDT #624 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm picking up The Gift of Asher Lev for the flight home. I read it years ago and am all excited to read it again.


justkim - Sep 21, 2004 3:46:20 am PDT #625 of 3301
Another social casualty...

I finished The Gift of Asher Lev last night.

It helped clear up some of the confusion I had regarding the prohibition against Asher's art. It also seemed as though Asher interacted with a lot more people (Jewish and non-Jewish), and, although it was still told through Asher's point of view exclusively, these interactions made the world more tangible and accessible.

Going back to My Name is Asher Lev, I think the reverence for the Rebbe comes from the fact that so many people in the Ladover community feel they owe their lives to the Rebbe and his mission. I think that many of the people in the Ladover community in general are being confronted with freedoms and choices that they are not accustomed to and rely on the Rebbe to help them navigate this new world.

Of course Asher's family has been in the US for a little while, so the situation isn't entirely new to them. Asher's father remains tied to the Rebbe because he believes in the mission, but his uncle, who has built his jewelry stores, doesn't seem as dependent on the Rebbe beyond careful and respectful observence.


Hil R. - Sep 21, 2004 4:35:44 am PDT #626 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But wasn't Asher's uncle the one encouraging Aryeh to go to the Rebbe for advice when Rivkeh was sick, while Aryeh resisted, with something like, "We're not that kind of people"? I agree with your point about Aryeh believing in the mission.


justkim - Sep 21, 2004 5:14:50 am PDT #627 of 3301
Another social casualty...

I got the impression that, when Rivkeh was sick, Asher's uncle was suggesting that Aryeh consider a divorce from Rivkeh. I returned the book to the library and don't have it, but I recall a lot of phrases like "The boy needs a mother," "You need to continue your life," etc. I wish I could remember it better. I think Uncle Yitzok was suggesting that Aryeh go to the Rebbe about that possibility, which is an extreme situation I think would definitely warrant the consultation of one's spiritual leader.


Trudy Booth - Sep 21, 2004 5:40:02 am PDT #628 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It helped clear up some of the confusion I had regarding the prohibition against Asher's art. It also seemed as though Asher interacted with a lot more people (Jewish and non-Jewish), and, although it was still told through Asher's point of view exclusively, these interactions made the world more tangible and accessible.

The second book is a lot more narrative in it's, well, narration. The first book seems to be pure gut emotion that relays a story.

He's still subtle though. I'm only about eighty pages in but I wonder if Devorah was allowed to marry such a controversial figure not only because it was Paris, but because she was pretty old to be marrying.