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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration
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I think that's one of the things that happened a lot throughout this book -- Asher really understands people only as they relate to him.
I totally agree with this. And it affects the way the naarative flows. The book felt like authentic first person - without the naarator guessing the thoughts and motives of the characters around him. Like I said before, we had to deduce a heck of a lot just from Asher's descriptions of dialogue and character interaction. Talk about your "show - don't tell" method of storytelling. And maybe the title is saying just that - my name is Asher Lev, and this is my story.
The book felt like authentic first person
Almost claustrophobically so. I kept feeling breathless from his sense of nowhere to turn to resolve the dichotomy of his life.
Interesting comments so far!
One thing I found as I read Asher Lev, is that I spent a lot of time comparing the book to Potok's The Chosen and The Promise. The Chosen is one of my favorite books of all time too. I found Asher Lev to be much more difficult and slow to read, although I still enjoyed it tremendously. Part of me had tremendous sympathy for Asher's parents. I found his actions very selfish, but more importantly, I had a difficult time with his apparent inability to modify his actions, even slightly, to fit with what he believed to be "right" and with his community. I don't mean to imply that I value conformity over other values, but it does seem that, as communal creatures, there needs to be some consideration of others. Also, Asher seemed to lack free will, at least when it came to his art. I certainly understand having internal pressures that lead one to behave "unreasonably," and have behaved unreasonably myself more often than I would like to admit.
I wonder sometimes if my questions about this are a result of my own ordinariness. Perhaps extraordinary people have these inner demons. or voices, or whatever, that they must follow. But perhaps being so gifted in one specific area results in a corresponding imbalance in will?
This is a long way of saying that Asher Lev brought up a lot of questions for me, but few answers. It was not a comfortable book for me, but I think it was a valuable one. Potok remains one of my favorite authors.
I wonder sometimes if my questions about this are a result of my own ordinariness. Perhaps extraordinary people have these inner demons. or voices, or whatever, that they must follow. But perhaps being so gifted in one specific area results in a corresponding imbalance in will?
That's an interesting thought. If Asher devoted himself completely and totally to his art, does that mean, by definition, he couldn't be devoted to anything or anyone else?
Perhaps extraordinary people have these inner demons. or voices, or whatever, that they must follow. But perhaps being so gifted in one specific area results in a corresponding imbalance in will?
It's somewhat of a cliche, the genius who doesn't function very well in other spheres. Cliches come from reality, and I know lots of people who excel at something and who are utterly clueless about other things.
I hate using myself as an example, but if someone told me that I had to give up my writing for the good of a community I loved, I'd have a very hard time with that decision. It's a question of personal--gah, not integrity, but not being willing to excise one's soul to satisfy one's heart. The price is too high but it's going to be paid anyway. Asher chose to lose his community instead of his vision of the world.
I'm enjoying this discussion. I may even go read the book.
In any case, I don't think his inter-personal skills are very highly developed. I don't think he knows how to communicate in any way other than painting.
His childhood was so isolated. Where were other children? Cousins? Anybody besides his parents and the housekeeper? Even at the cottages there were no friends...
I wonder how he could have been any other way.
His childhood was so isolated. Where were other children? Cousins? Anybody besides his parents and the housekeeper? Even at the cottages there were no friends...
There were some cousins that were mentioned tangentially. His uncle Yitzchak had kids. He mentions once or twice that there were other kids his age in the Berkshires, and he played with them sometimes, but more often, he played alone. Though, you're right, when someone suggests sending him to kindergarten, his father says no, and it doesn't seem like, before he started school, his parents did much to try to get him to play with other kids. But it also seems like, when there were other kids to play with, he wasn't that interested.
Add to his somewhat isolation the enormous expectations the community had for him, and his social awkwardness is fairly understandable.