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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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Nutty - Aug 18, 2004 10:35:37 am PDT #471 of 3301
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Well, but if Billytea's right, then Whitehead went too far in the other direction. I don't think a throw pillow or two would have impeded my seeing her as a hard-headed person. Lila Mae had less adornment, decoration, and detail-richness than a boy's college dorm room.

Yes. And?

I think I felt that way a lot about the book, in a lot of different ways, and that is what I mean when I say "mystified".


billytea - Aug 18, 2004 10:44:11 am PDT #472 of 3301
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Well, but if Billytea's right, then Whitehead went too far in the other direction.

Yes, I agree. And still found Intuitionism irritating. I spent a while untangling the whole 'magical negro' thing from what I was reading. (Granted, the magical negro trope isn't one I'm very familiar with, so maybe it was more obviously irrelevant to others.)


libkitty - Aug 18, 2004 12:41:09 pm PDT #473 of 3301
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I think if I had to compare Lila Mae to anyone, I would compare her to Anya. She really seems to have no identity outisde her job and her race. Unlike Anya, Lila Mae seems comfortable (not happy) with that situation and sees no reason to change.

Topicy goodness! Carrying this further, it seems appropriate to compare her to Buffy. We still have the alienation (although I think that Buffy is more real about it, but that's me), but Fulton's comment "Lila Mae Watson is the one" seems awfully close to "There can be only one." Think, perhaps, of Buffy as Anne, or at the beginning of her time on UPN. Then the alienation was stronger, as well as a sense of quest in trying to understand the world around her and her place in it, in a not much caring sort of way.

I wish I could put this better.


billytea - Aug 18, 2004 12:42:16 pm PDT #474 of 3301
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Fulton's comment "Lila Mae Watson is the one" seems awfully close to "There can be only one."

Doesn't that make her the Lilander?


Trudy Booth - Aug 18, 2004 12:51:30 pm PDT #475 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I wonder why so many seem to think this takes place in a world where elevator inspectors are important. I thought it was more an examination of a small microcosm of people too wrapped up in their own self-importance.

I thought this too. The institute was just about the sole exception (there was that billboard in the beginning) and even that could be overblown by the community. Have you ever worked at a private business college? Same sorta "go team us" and "this place is WONDERFUL" even though it clearly is not.


Daisy Jane - Aug 18, 2004 12:53:03 pm PDT #476 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I think Lila Mae would actually compare better to All Other Slayers (tm) with the exception of Buffy- It was her connections, the ones that the brochure didn't mention, the ones that wound up saving their asses in the end, that made her different.

Lila Mae only has a connection to an idea, not people.


Daisy Jane - Aug 18, 2004 12:57:12 pm PDT #477 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Have you ever worked at a private business college? Same sorta "go team us" and "this place is WONDERFUL" even though it clearly is not.

Actually I'm thinking more along the lines of "Dallas," not your dog or where I live, but the show. The oil business was the most important thing on the planet. All intrigue swirled around The Oil Barons' club. And while it's true that oil is extremely important IRL, Dallas made it seem as if JR was vastly more important than most independant Texas oil men actually are.


libkitty - Aug 18, 2004 1:14:19 pm PDT #478 of 3301
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I think Lila Mae would actually compare better to All Other Slayers (tm) with the exception of Buffy-

True.


billytea - Aug 18, 2004 4:33:07 pm PDT #479 of 3301
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I thought this too. The institute was just about the sole exception (there was that billboard in the beginning) and even that could be overblown by the community. Have you ever worked at a private business college? Same sorta "go team us" and "this place is WONDERFUL" even though it clearly is not.

I think I got that impression from both the existence of the Institute and the interest in the press conference. I suppose too because United and Arbo appeared to be significant going concerns, and it attracted the attention of the city's main gangster. But that's all circumstantial, really. I think I was primed to see things that way by some blurb or other somewhere.


justkim - Aug 19, 2004 4:19:40 am PDT #480 of 3301
Another social casualty...

I thought the interest in the press conference was more because there had been a near-catastrophic accident in a brand new building involving an elevator (that had just been inspected) just before the mayor got on with his very important guests. An event like that is going to get a lot of attention, whether elevator inspectors are important or not. Also, do we know how long a program at the Institute was supposed to last? It was presented as a big intensive years-long program, since it had dorms and such, but what if it only lasted a year and this was the only school of its kind, so it had a lot of students revolving in and out.

Two scenes I did like, although I haven't reread them, so I may have missed something: Little Lila Mae and her father reading the elevator catalog and the dance hall scene with the old man.

I liked these moments because it seemed that Lila Mae was open to connection, although not attempting those connections herself. I compare these scenes to the scene with her boy-friend (what was his name?), when Lila Mae was definitely not open to connection, even though she wished he had kissed her again.

It still makes me sad that when Lila Mae does connect, it is with another idea (her racial identity instead of Intuitionism) and not a person. I don't see that she's really taken much of a journey. She started out as the first black female elevator inspector and was an Intuitionist; things happened to her; she ended as the first black female (former?) elevator inspector who decided to learn what she learned about Fulton to write another book about Theoretical Elevators.

Also, I don't think Lila Mae is Buffy at all. Buffy talked, walked, shopped, sneezed, and was goning to be a fireman when the floods rolled back. I think Lila Mae would sleep on a bed of bones if it would make her life simpler (not better).