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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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Daisy Jane - Aug 16, 2004 9:07:15 am PDT #414 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I wish I had taken a highlighter to the book too.

I actually, was disappointed with the ending and the last quarter or so of the book. I have too many questions I feel like I either didn't understand the answers to, or that I wasn't given answers to. What was the deal with Natchez working for Arbo? Why did he lie about Fulton being his uncle- presumably he could have just said he knew about Fulton's race.

I think I tried so many times to map opposing ideas, theories, ideologies, whathaveyou, onto the two inspection techniqes that when none of it seemed to matter, I felt let down.

I did find the relationship, or lack of between Lila Mae and Pompey to be interesting- no more than that- familiar. It reminds me of the way women treat each other sometimes. Equality through identifying with the oppressor (though that's a little harsh as far as my experience goes).

Seen from Lila Mae's point of view, Pompey was the traitor. Going along to get along, trashing her after the accident. Seen objectively- Lila Mae was no better. When she thought it was sabotage- she suspected him. Not only did the possibility of it just being a random accident occur to her, it didn't occur to her that it would have been done by anyone but Pompey and his masters.


Nutty - Aug 16, 2004 9:29:44 am PDT #415 of 3301
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Heather, I agree with your point about Pompey. I sort of think that the novel's most emotional moment was when Pompey rounded on her in a rage about the compromises he's made to get where he is. I could see that as an important turning point, where Lila Mae begins to see him as a person, and where she begins to shuffle off some of the more subtle stereotypes she lives with, to see through to the right answer about the Fanny Brooks building.

I did empathize, in an awkward way, with Lila Mae's emotional conservatism, her parsimonious little life. But then I got to the end and that parsimony seemed like -- like the author was saying, "Yes, withdraw, because you're safe if you have no friends", and that was kind of depressing and wrong-y. Even Natchez turned out to be false, and although his Arbo Businessman face wasn't actively hostile, he also wasn't emotionally available for Lila Mae. In the end, she was just as lonely as Fulton at his lying worst.


billytea - Aug 16, 2004 10:01:30 am PDT #416 of 3301
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Do you think the book would have sold as well if it was called Elevators and the Lying Liars Who Build Them?


Trudy Booth - Aug 16, 2004 10:14:34 am PDT #417 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I was bugged that a black man would rise up in the ranks of an elevator company with NOBODY in that status conscious little world knowing about him.


Daisy Jane - Aug 16, 2004 11:11:33 am PDT #418 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I think I'm bugged that if someone asked me what the book was about- beyond saying its about a black woman who's an elevator inspector in a world where that's an important job, and people are still backwards enough that her race and gender are a factor.

Again unanswered questions. What is the significance of the guy she worked with and his escalators?

And one more familiar thing- the reception, or whatever with the blackface and the dancing girls. Lila Mae wasn't going to go, but it wasn't until reading what the party was like that I could fully understand why. Same thing happens in business today- have "meetings" at the strip club or at the country club.


libkitty - Aug 16, 2004 11:16:34 am PDT #419 of 3301
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I was bugged that a black man would rise up in the ranks of an elevator company with NOBODY in that status conscious little world knowing about him.

Well, he was sort of an undercover kind of guy. I was most surprised that he had a real office and secretary and everything, though.

I sort of think that the novel's most emotional moment was when Pompey rounded on her in a rage about the compromises he's made to get where he is. I could see that as an important turning point, where Lila Mae begins to see him as a person, and where she begins to shuffle off some of the more subtle stereotypes she lives with, to see through to the right answer about the Fanny Brooks building.

Yes! This, and the very end of the book, were just about the only parts that I really liked. Pompey started as a cipher, and ended up being the most three-dimensional character in the whole book!

Re: the reporter. Why was he even there, other than to give the answers to Lila Mae at the end? The torture, overdone. Plus, the author just worked too hard to make his bad guys (Jim and John, I think?) funny. I wish that he had just cut that out altogether.

Gotta say, though, that I've been holding out on Asher Lev because I didn't want to read it too early, but I'm really looking forward to that one. And, even though I didn't like it, I'm glad that I read The Intuitionist. It's not like books that I usually read, and I feel like my horizons have somehow expanded. Thanks Wolfram!


Ginger - Aug 16, 2004 11:21:58 am PDT #420 of 3301
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The whole business with the reporter bothered me the most. You have all that creepy business where he's the screaming man and the image of the fingers tacked up on a bulletin board, and then Lila Mae finds him all calm and rational, with just a broken hand, there to explain everything. Plus I never quite understood the relationship between the elevator company and the mob guys. Did the elevator company hire the mob to find the secret of the perfect elevator? Why did they let the reporter go?


libkitty - Aug 16, 2004 11:26:25 am PDT #421 of 3301
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Why did they let the reporter go?

This. Why is he still alive?!


Nutty - Aug 16, 2004 11:31:35 am PDT #422 of 3301
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm still not sure that the Screaming Man and the reporter are the same person, and I have no idea what the point of the Screaming Man was. He certainly never got brought up again directly, and generally speaking, when you want to scare someone into obeying you, you scare them, not make them into bleeding, gibbering idiots.

The reception reminded me of the sorts of not-cool jokes about women you still sometimes hear in bastions of maleness, like among firefighters and cops and (sometimes) the military. Yes, very familiar. (Also, the whole city-patronage, scratch-my-back thing.)

I guess what mystifies me, overall, is that I don't know what the future black box elevator is, what it looks like, what it will do. It seems like Lila Mae knows at the end, or can guess, and will be feeding it out in dribs and drabs to the elevator community over the years -- although how she'll make a living, I don't know --, but she didn't tell me what the secret is, or anyway I didn't get it.


Trudy Booth - Aug 16, 2004 11:34:22 am PDT #423 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well, he was sort of an undercover kind of guy. I was most surprised that he had a real office and secretary and everything, though.

Perzactly!

If your undercover guy had all the trappings, and was the only black fella in the business, how could he be so anonymous?

I enjoyed wondering if the elevator industry was as significant outside the industry it's self.