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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

This thread is a focused discussion group. Please see the first post below for the current topic and upcoming book discussions. While natter will inevitably happen, we encourage you to treat this like a virtual book club and try to keep your posts in that spirit.

By consensus, this thread is reopened specifically to discuss Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It will be closed again once that discussion has run its course.

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Aims - Oct 21, 2007 6:50:21 pm PDT #3100 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Clearly you aren't reading enough fanfiction.

Or watching Smallville. *g*


megan walker - Oct 21, 2007 7:12:59 pm PDT #3101 of 3301
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I'm forever doomed to be the most pro-gay, non-HoYay person I know.


Glamcookie - Oct 22, 2007 12:56:50 am PDT #3102 of 3301
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Kate, GF and I were irritated by the late reveal as well. Still love the books, but I agree that it's kind of like trying to get some sort of "gay points" when there wasn't any actual gayness presented in the story.


Aims - Oct 22, 2007 3:15:05 am PDT #3103 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I get all sides of the argument and agree with a lot of them, but I wonder if she was *trying* to get "gay points" or credit for fighting that fight or if she was just revealing one character's sexuality.


Fay - Oct 22, 2007 3:35:29 am PDT #3104 of 3301
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

From the accounts I've read of people who were there, it sounds like she hadn't particularly intended to go there, but was responding to a rather emotional question from a young woman in the audience. So - yeah, I too can see both sides of the thing, but I'm giving Jo the benefit of the doubt wrt trying to earn gay points.

I mean, yes, if Grindelwald (?sp?) had been a woman, I'm pretty sure she'd have made it explicit that Dumbledore had been in love with her. And so it's a damn shame that she didn't make it textual.

But...I don't know that I can get really angry with her for having shied away from doing that. Yes, kids need positive gay role models and gay heroes to counterbalance all the crap - but she's already got a lot of crazy rightwing people hating her and heaping abuse on her for encouraging satanism (!!??!!), and that can't be fun. I mean, yes, she's enormously rich, but - I don't know that I think she was obliged to stick her neck out and say "Dumbledore is gay". Because they're kids' books, and a huge chunk of the audience are therefor pretty oblivious to sex and sexuality - and, yes, it would have been terrific to have them first encountering the concept in a positive way, but an awful lot of parents would have been furious. Which is a cowardly reason to avoid it, but - I can't get really mad with her. The story works perfectly well without her having to go there, and I LIKE the fact that it's slash. But...

Ngah. I'm really torn, actually. I'm going to go with a glass half full interpretation of events, although I do see why it's pissed people off.


Aims - Oct 22, 2007 3:43:02 am PDT #3105 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Aimee is Fay and Fay is Aimee.

Ben and Glory can sod off.


Hil R. - Oct 22, 2007 3:44:51 am PDT #3106 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

and, yes, it would have been terrific to have them first encountering the concept in a positive way

Well, I'm not quite sure that "Dumbledore was in love with one of the most evil wizards of the century" is necessarily a positive way...


Aims - Oct 22, 2007 3:50:39 am PDT #3107 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Very true, because then the argument could be made that she was writing that "gay = evil".


Emily - Oct 22, 2007 4:36:04 am PDT #3108 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I find the "If I'd known..." comment a bit disingenuous, myself. Otherwise, I'm pleased. I don't have my book in front of me -- is Snape's love for Lily explicitly romantic or sexual? I mean, we know there's serious depth of feeling and he resents James, but does he actually say, "She should have chosen me" or that Harry should have been his son or anything like that? Actual question -- I don't remember.


Gudanov - Oct 22, 2007 5:32:15 am PDT #3109 of 3301
Coding and Sleeping

Well, there's a lot of time spent in Harry's head and I heard Dumbledore's tale again. I now know what made Dumbledore the way he is. I've also learned the origins of the Deathly Hallows and how James ended up with the cloak. Then Harry goes back to his body or rather wakes up as he was already in his head.

It turns out that Voldemort collapsed as well. I take this to mean that the creature wasn't the fragment of Voldemort's soul that was in Harry but rather Voldemort himself. Voldemort has mangled his soul so much that he has become that creature, while Harry is in perfect condition. Anyhow, then Voldemort has Narcissia make sure Harry is dead. Bad move on Voldemort's part. Why have someone you've been treating like crap take care of something that important? Dude should have sent Bellatrix. OTOH, Voldemort then performs the crucio curse which should have revealed Harry living status had it worked. Interesting that it didn't work properly, I'm not sure why that would be. I feel like I should know the reason, but I can't really think of anything that makes sense.

Then Voldemort has Hagrid carry Harry out of the woods. That's just the sort of thing Voldemort would do. It would be sad if Harry was actually dead. Hagrid tries to make the centaurs feel ashamed and the Death Eaters yell insults at them. The centaurs must have a role to play yet, nobody gets away with insulting centaurs except Hagrid.

Anyhow they get out of the woods and Voldemort announces that Harry is dead, lies about the circumstances of Harry's death, and tells them that anyone who resists will be killed along with their family. The lying about Harry's death felt like a low blow. Anyhow that's pretty much where I left off. They are advancing toward the castle with Harry in display.