Yeah, but an unbeatable wand should make one unbeatable against any foe, I'd think. Isn't that the point? If it's only unbeatable against foes you could already beat... it's not unbeatable. I mean, I'd think an unbeatable wand would mean "Hand this to Colin Creevey and watch him beat Voldemort."
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Gris - Jul 30, 2007 4:00:31 pm PDT #2061 of 3301
Hey. New board.
-t - Jul 30, 2007 4:14:47 pm PDT #2062 of 3301
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Well, Draco defeated Dumbledore because Dumbledore didn't have time to do anything, being all preoccupied with petrifying Harry. So if Dumbledore could get the drop on Grindelwald in some way - knowing he could count on G attacking him with something he could easily defend against, or knowing a weakness because of their shared history or whatever - that could work.
In which case, I think Dunbledore's unbeatableness would be greater than Grindelwald's had been, since he took the wand by force of magic rather than stealing it and firing off a token Stupefy the way G did.
Juliebird - Jul 30, 2007 4:19:58 pm PDT #2063 of 3301
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Perhaps Dumbledore also won due to some lingering affection Grindelwald had for him. Maybe G was doing the whole "I don't want to kill you, join me, and we can rule the muggles together (and by the way I am your FATHER!!!!" and D got the drop on him because G was holding back.
???
Vortex - Jul 30, 2007 4:34:38 pm PDT #2064 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Yeah, but an unbeatable wand should make one unbeatable against any foe, I'd think. Isn't that the point? If it's only unbeatable against foes you could already beat... it's not unbeatable. I mean, I'd think an unbeatable wand would mean "Hand this to Colin Creevey and watch him beat Voldemort."
I think that it's like having the best gun in the world. If you're a mediocre shot, a marksman with a rifle can beat you.
Polter-Cow - Jul 30, 2007 4:35:14 pm PDT #2065 of 3301
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
It was supposed to be some sort of epic duel the likes of which have never been seen, though. However Dumbledore won, he must have held out against Ol' Unbeatable for a while.
-t - Jul 30, 2007 4:55:35 pm PDT #2066 of 3301
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Did we get a description of the duel, or could it be that people just assumed that it was epic?
Eta: Regardless, Juliebird's scenario would work in the midst of an epic battle. And Unbeatable != Cannot be Shielded Against in my book
Connie Neil - Jul 30, 2007 5:18:33 pm PDT #2067 of 3301
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I'm re-reading and noticing things. My god, Hermione whines. "But Harry you promised you wouldn't let the Dark Lord overpower you anymore and get into your head!" Damn it, girl, you think he enjoys this? You think he doesn't remember anything unless you harp about it?
And Harry calls Draco "Draco" in his thoughts after he sees Draco being the one casting the Cruciatus on Dolohov. Has he ever referred to Draco by first name in his own thoughts?
Yeah, I'm a slasher, what of it?
DavidS - Jul 30, 2007 5:26:44 pm PDT #2068 of 3301
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
On re-read I am noticing that JKR does spend a fair amount of time on wandlore even if it is still convoluted in the climax. t /porn
Miracleman - Jul 30, 2007 5:40:58 pm PDT #2069 of 3301
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
Like someone said...the wand may be unbeatable, but that doesn't mean the wielder is.
Excalibur was supposed to grant unearthly powers and unsurpassed victory to Arthur...but the dude is still dead and shit.
Vortex - Jul 30, 2007 5:42:08 pm PDT #2070 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Like someone said...the wand may be unbeatable, but that doesn't mean the wielder is.
am I THAT forgettable?