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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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Aims - Jul 25, 2007 12:44:53 pm PDT #1767 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Emily, he didn't. He used that ancient spell. I'm guessing cause he couldn't get to the Horcruxes.

eta: GOOD CALL PETE.


Polter-Cow - Jul 25, 2007 12:46:14 pm PDT #1768 of 3301
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh, I remember what's been bugging me! What horcrux did Voldemort use to come back to life in GoF?

He didn't use a Horcrux. He used flesh and blood. I think the existence of the Horcruxes is what caused him not to die at Godric's Hollow to begin with, but they're more safekeeping for his soul; I don't think he could actually use one to regain life.

It's mentioned a couple of times a little up-thread, and again even earlier when people started counting off who destroyed which Horcrux in sequence and it always ended with Neville at 6 and Harry/Voldemort at 7.

Ah, that's weird. Because it's pretty clear in the book.


Emily - Jul 25, 2007 12:46:15 pm PDT #1769 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

He wasn't dead, he was just sort of in a larval stage.

Hmm. I'd been assuming that the reason the Kedavra rebound didn't outright kill him was because of the Horcruxes. No? Then why should this one have killed him?

Honestly, I'm still hung up on the whole "Lily's death protecting Harry" thing. Really? In all the wizarding world, no mother's ever died trying to save her child before? Ever? I still enjoy the books. I just find that a little weak.


Pete, Husband of Jilli - Jul 25, 2007 12:46:55 pm PDT #1770 of 3301
"I've got a gun! I've got a mother-flippin' gun!" - Moss, The IT Crowd

Aims, what does Daniel R in a bra do for you? Inquiring minds want to know.


Aims - Jul 25, 2007 12:47:56 pm PDT #1771 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Does a lot for me of it's *my* bra he's in.

I'll be in my bunk.


Polter-Cow - Jul 25, 2007 12:48:03 pm PDT #1772 of 3301
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Then why should this one have killed him?

Because all the Horcruxes were destroyed. His soul was no longer split; it was all right there in Voldemort.

Honestly, I'm still hung up on the whole "Lily's death protecting Harry" thing. Really? In all the wizarding world, no mother's ever died trying to save her child before? Ever?

Heh. That is a thing, it is.


Emily - Jul 25, 2007 12:48:38 pm PDT #1773 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I think the existence of the Horcruxes is what caused him not to die at Godric's Hollow to begin with, but they're more safekeeping for his soul; I don't think he could actually use one to regain life.

But then why would you bother having 7? He split his soul that many times purely for the purposes of misdirection? I thought it was so he could come back that many times. Which, granted, doesn't make a lot of sense either. He was just batshit crazy, wasn't he?

Sure, in the book Nagini's actually the ultimate Horcrux, but, well, Harry/Voldemort is so the ultimate Horcrux in another way...


Pete, Husband of Jilli - Jul 25, 2007 12:49:57 pm PDT #1774 of 3301
"I've got a gun! I've got a mother-flippin' gun!" - Moss, The IT Crowd

He didn't use a Horcrux. He used flesh and blood. I think the existence of the Horcruxes is what caused him not to die at Godric's Hollow to begin with, but they're more safekeeping for his soul; I don't think he could actually use one to regain life.

I agree with P-C here, but he did unintentionally use a part of a Horcrux to bring himself back.

Hmm. I'd been assuming that the reason the Kedavra rebound didn't outright kill him was because of the Horcruxes. No? Then why should this one have killed him?

Yes, I think that's correct. The Horcruxes are a tether to this world. The reason that the last rebounded killing curse actually killed him is because he had no horcruxes left.


Kathy A - Jul 25, 2007 12:50:42 pm PDT #1775 of 3301
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

What I do find unlikely is that the Death Eaters apparently left the wand behind? How strange.

Well, it spun off the top of the tower, so I'm guessing it landed somewhere near Dumbledore, well out of reach of the Death Eaters who were sprinting their way out of Hogwarts.


Emily - Jul 25, 2007 12:50:44 pm PDT #1776 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I guess I'd been assuming that the Horcruxes were sort of one-use deals -- survive a fatal curse, use up a Horcrux.