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Do we know anything about the order in which he made the Horcruxes? Obviously, Harry was last, and I'd make a bet at Nagini being the one before him. But other than that? I think we know what order he acquired the objects in -- diary at school, ring soon after from the Gaunt's house, then cup from the old woman, locket from the store, and then tiara from Albania?
The murder of his father was making the first Horcrux? So that would be the ring, which he then hid back at the Gaunt's? He killed his grandparents at the same time, but the only other object that he could have made into a Horcrux then would have been the diary. So either he was carrying around potential Horcrux objects for the ten years or so, or he made some of them into Horcruxes already. He can't have made too many yet, because when he came to ask for the job, he still looked fairly human. I'm guessing that the locket was one of the last ones, and that he hid it soon after he made it.
So that's: 1: Ring. I'll guess 2: Tiara. Then that leaves the cup and diary as 3 and 4, then the snake and locket as 5 and 6. Does that all make sense?
I thought he made the diary into a Horcrux when Myrtle was killed, but I don't know where I got that. And he hid the tiara when he asked for the job, right? He could have done the locket anytime after he acquired it and just worn it, but I agree that he hid it late.
Fawkes died permanently when he destroyed something with his phoenix flame. Or am I thinking of fanfic? Shit. I watched the movie, overdosed on fanfic, and then read 7. So I'm a little muddled on minor details.
The smug Enjoy Your Kiddie Books And Your Action Figures, You Retards! More Proust For Me
I love this soooooooooooooooo much.
My mother ordered a copy of the book, but I was far too impatient and picked up a copy at a Wal-mart in Ohio on Sunday, and then read it from 11AM to 7PM. I was satisfied with it--it didn't make me want to skip several hundred pages at a time and then check in later, which I was concerned about, and I liked the wrap-up and the stuff going on in the background and the Ron/hermione bit. There were a lot of exclamations from me during the book reading, especially when characters were killed, which earned me the title of "nerd queen" from my BFF for the rest of the weekend. Well-deserved, though.
I thought the epilogue was lame--I would rather have left it ambiguous, but again, that's the love of fanfiction talking, and I'm annoyed that now things must be worked around rather than invented otherwise.
Still, I was pleased with it. Though I am kind of relieved to be done.
I thought he made the diary into a Horcrux when Myrtle was killed, but I don't know where I got that.
Then that makes at least three that he made before going to ask for the job. I don't have Half-Blood Prince handy right now, but I seem to remember that he still looked mostly human then, so I'd wager as few as possible already made. He already had just about all the objects, though; maybe he was saving them to make the Horcruxes out of "special" murders?
I'm wondering about the diary now, though. The bit of his soul in that was was him at age 16ish. Was it that that was the age he was when he made it, or just that that was the age he was when he wrote it?
I was hoping to find out who Voldemort killed to make each Horcrux, Hil, because I had trouble figuring out the timeline myself, on when he acquired the items and turned them into Horcruxes.
I think we've got a pretty firm timeline on when he acquired the items. It's when he turned them into Horcruxes that's not so clear. He came back to ask for the job sometime in the mid-fifties, right? Harry's parents were born in 1960, so Sirius was too, so Regulus was a little younger than that. So when Kreacher hid the locket must have been the very late seventies. Voldemort giving the diary to Lucius Malfoy must have also been late seventies. Not quite sure what was going on with the cup -- did that get put into the Lestrange's vault during the first time he was powerful, or during the chronology of the last few books? Either way, all of this stuff was -- somewhere -- for a good 30 odd years.
Was it that that was the age he was when he made it
That's what I assumed, I can't remember now if there was any basis for thinking that. I'm thinking he made that Horcrux by killing Myrtle and only after succeeding there started thinking about further dividing his soul up.
Though it was explictly stated even in the last book that that Tom Riddle was a "memory come to life", so maybe they were two separate operations: investing the diary with a living memory and later making it a horcrux. And then both were undone by the basilisk tooth.
I'm not completely sure when Voldemort was in Albania, come to think of it. That's where he hopped on board Quirrell, but when he found the diadem I don't recall.
Eta: I'm also not sure how fast the physical changes happened after the soul splitting.
I'm not completely sure when Voldemort was in Albania, come to think of it. That's where he hopped on board Quirrell, but when he found the diadem I don't recall.
I thought he was in Albania during the years between leaving the store and coming back to ask for the job. Then he went back there later? He can't have made the Horcrux during the same time period that he got onto Quirrell, could he? I thought they were all made before killing Lily and James.
Actually, now that I think about it, didn't he already have Nagini at the time that he killed his father and grandparents? (I really wish I had more of the books here so I could look this stuff up.)
I thought he was in Albania during the years between leaving the store and coming back to ask for the job.
Yeah, that sounds right.
Then he went back there later?
It's where he fled to when he was all disembodied, iirc, until Quirrell stumbled upon him.
I thought they were all made before killing Lily and James.
Yeah, they must've been. Sorry, I was unclear, that's why I couldn't figure when he'd found the diadem, because I could only remember him being in Albania after. Totally a memory fault on my part.
didn't he already have Nagini at the time that he killed his father and grandparents?
I don't think we know that, even if it's true. He had her when he killed the caretaker, but that was after he was back and embodified. I don't think there was a mention of a snake in the description of the killing of Tom Riddle Sr because I was halfway convinced that the teenager who appeared in the town might be Harry traveled back in time to take out Voldemort before he was Voldemort, and a big snake being with him would have not lent itself to that interpretation.
He had her when he killed the caretaker, but that was after he was back and embodified.
Oh! Right. That's what I was remembering.