Hauser: You really think you can solve the problem? Come into Wolfram & Hart and make everything right? Turn night into glorious day? You pathetic little fairy. Angel: I'm not little.

'Just Rewards (2)'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 19, 2005 7:04:02 pm PDT #9660 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I have to admit the "Afternoon Delight" prank/torture scene is a comedic moment that I've remembered fondly for years and years. Despite a friend actually doing something like that to me with "Party Man."


DavidS - Jun 19, 2005 7:30:40 pm PDT #9661 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And then, something miraculous happened: The executives at Fox hired Tim Minear to salvage the project. Minear worked his way up the TV ladder as a writer on various shows until he made his mark on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off, Angel. From there he executive produced the critically-lauded Firefly in 2002 before creating Wonderfalls last year. How good is Minear? It would not be rash to consider him one of the five best minds in television.

Aww man. They got that he didn't work on Buffy, but he wasn't a creator of Wonderfalls. They brought him in as showrunner after it was already together.


BartlebyFink - Jun 19, 2005 10:04:14 pm PDT #9662 of 10001
One Hot Burrito!

He still wrote one of the, for my money, best episodes of that entire series.


tiggy - Jun 20, 2005 2:07:18 am PDT #9663 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Awesome performance aside, my favorite part about that guy is that he directed PCU.

heh. i love that movie. "this penis party's got to go. hey hey! ho ho!"


Daisy Jane - Jun 20, 2005 2:21:35 am PDT #9664 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

One of my all time favorites!

"We will not pro-test!" "We Will not pro-test!"

"Gutter is a tool" "Gutter is a tool"


Vortex - Jun 20, 2005 7:52:05 am PDT #9665 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

he made his mark on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off, Angel.

This is why people think that he worked on Buffy, it should be "made his mark on Angel, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off."

Maybe Strong kept the hair to remind himself that he was heterosexual. His hatred of Brandt became twisted up with sex, He wanted to rape Brandt, but it was about the power, not the sex.


Allyson - Jun 20, 2005 8:08:12 am PDT #9666 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I very much disagree. I think Strong was gay, self-hating, and hated his attraction to Brandt so much that he became obsessed with him. Blamed Brandt for that attraction. I think the rapes were a sick way of fucking Brandt, being inside the place he was just inside. These rapes weren't about power at all, I don't think. Not in the sense of the typical rape mentality of exerting power over women and treating them like holes to be used.

This was about being close to Brandt. I don't know why he kept the hair aside from it being useful to the plot. Cutting it was to make the victims more Brandt-like. Spraying cologne on them to make them smell like him.

I think these rapes were really about the sex, about him using these women as a surrogate for Brandt.


Daisy Jane - Jun 20, 2005 8:32:46 am PDT #9667 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I very much disagree. I think Strong was gay, self-hating, and hated his attraction to Brandt so much that he became obsessed with him. Blamed Brandt for that attraction. I think the rapes were a sick way of fucking Brandt, being inside the place he was just inside. These rapes weren't about power at all, I don't think. Not in the sense of the typical rape mentality of exerting power over women and treating them like holes to be used.

I agree that it was not at all about the women and all about Brandt, but I don't agree that it was homosexual attraction turned to obsession.

Strong believed that a smug asshole (which Brandt was) got away with rape. In Strong's mind this guy could get away with anything, probably if he believed that Brandt had talked the victim into recanting, because of his money, charm and looks. Much like he probably believed his father got away with rape because of money, charm and good looks.

So, he's revolted that this guy could get away with such a crime, but probably also drawn to the power he associated with the money, charm and good looks.

He rapes a few women and gets off on the power, begins to think he's worthy to take on Brandt. Obsesses over it. Rapes and murders the women Brandt has been with. I'll grant that he was cutting their hair and putting his cologne on them to turn them into him, but not because of an initial attraction, but because it was his warm-up to taking power from Brandt. But more on cutting the hair in a moment.

This was about being close to Brandt. I don't know why he kept the hair aside from it being useful to the plot. Cutting it was to make the victims more Brandt-like. Spraying cologne on them to make them smell like him.

I actually have a slightly different take on the hair cutting. Yes, he was using these women as a Brandt surrogate, but cutting the hair was not only about making them man-like. It was also about taking power, a sort of castration. Think Samson and Delilah. In that context, keeping it makes perfect sense.

I think these rapes were really about the sex, about him using these women as a surrogate for Brandt.

I think it was initially about the power Brandt had that Strong saw manifested in sex.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 20, 2005 8:35:23 am PDT #9668 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hafta say Allyson's take is mine as well, all the way down the line.


Nutty - Jun 20, 2005 8:53:30 am PDT #9669 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Harrington says he also read Ellroy's "The Black Dahlia," based on a famous Los Angeles murder case.

Beg to report: anybody who read that book got a much better idea of James Ellroy's fetish for pairing off L.A. cops* ** than of anything to do with deranged crime.

I mean, unless you consider James Ellroy to be committing deranged crime every time he puts fingers to keyboard, a theory I can get behind.

* All cops have a dark twin, if only they could find each other, preferably in the boxing ring, with attendant contrasting nicknames.

** Ellroy can't quite bring himself to pair these cops off in the explicit sense, and usually punishes one of the twain with death or dismemberment in the denouement. Still and all, I am regularly shocked that he is not slashed on the internet like a Zorro emblem.