They did look like they were trying to appear detached when they were questioning the assistants of the women who died, up until the anal, anyway. That was very funny.

I don't see the handcuffing as assault. His expectations were that he was seducing her, and she was responding. She was in his sex room, and she wasn't frightened by his tools of the trade.

Two things could have happened, in his expectations: First, she could have responded positivly and they would have gone a little further, and maybe took a moment and established a safe word. The second possibilty to him was if she had continued to say no, he might have even taken them off and apologized as misreading her. Maybe he would have inferred for her to think about it and come back when she was ready.

But as Arlo Guthre might have said "there was a third possibility that he hadn't even counted upon." That she would immediately go into real freak out and he would have to try and deal with that, or not deal well with it.

In his mind all the signals were there, and he probably expected one or another outcome. How could he expect the third?

ETA: Numberslut!

You can get anything you want at S&M Restaurant....

I'm not an expert (much to my dismay) and I could be wrong, but my understanding is that selecting a safe word is pretty much Step A. At the very least it happens well before anyone puts anyone in cuffs.

Assuming that's the case, it's a pretty bright line. Flirting or not, without a safe word he didn't have consent to cuff her.

Danny's doesn't seem to exhibit any emotionally broken behavior-

Danny desperately wants to be someone else. I still see him as a transvestite.

That may just be my private amusement, but it's a hella fun one.

This former dilettante understands it the same way, Trudy.

Well, he did get kicked out of the club.

I'm not saying I would do the same, mind you...

Astarte, I'm in for any eventuality as long as it is funny. Danny has so much potential for the funny.

Okay, I skipped a lot, because i didn't watch the ep until today (grad school is hard.)

My only comments: man oh man do I still like this show. That episode was pretty fricking cool, and I just want more.

The hands of blue totally put me in a Firefly reference mood.

And the cop raped those women in the first case, I'm 96% sure.

If I weren't a bit drunk, and really tired, I'd comment more. But, I still love you, Tim. And I don't even agree with the Rebecca-keeps-ending-up-girl-in-distress-needing-rescuing thing anymore, because she didn't even get rescued this time. She was released. It's a totally different thing, and it had nothing to do with her weak feminineness or anything like that. Not that I ever thought that was there in the first episode, either, actually.

Not sure how I feel about her rather cold "You'll be stronger. Trust me." thing at the end, but then, I'm not sure how I feel about her as a person yet, on the whole. I'm hoping for more insight into her character as the time and episodes go on, and I fully expect it. She's still a mystery, and I like it that way.

Woo. Finally I get to contribute to the discussion. (I forgot my login info, sigh). It's been a while, but here goes.

Tim, love the show. Rachel plays Rebecca's guarded personality really well, and I don't think she's getting the credit she deserves from most people. The same goes for the show, actually. The atmosphere, the characters, the music, the disturbing nature of the investigations, it all adds up to make me physically unsettled, yet fascinated. It gets me in the gut. Which is the highest compliment I can give it, and you. Not many shows accomplish that with me.

And I love the subtle way you've gone about revealing bits about the characters (not so much, Paul, I suppose--he just lays it all out--but everyone else) and the investigations. You're leaving and trusting the audience to make the connections themselves (which, granted, could backfire at certain points, but I enjoy having to use my brain). I also agree with whoever said that this is a show where you have to look beneath the surface of what's on the screen, or you miss out on why it's so good. I'm really looking forward to next week. Moral questions abound there.

But specifically about this recent ep, I haven't read anybody mention this. It's my interpretation of Rebecca's motivation for going into Brandt's apartment. Yes, it could be read as mistake by a rookie from an FBI standpoint, but I don't think she went in there in that capacity. I think that was her surface reason, but she went in there primarily for reasons that were strictly personal. Maybe before her conversation with Paul during the stakeout her wanting to go there was case-related, but IMO, it wasn't afterwards.

We know from that conversation (about her past) that she no longer sees herself as Becky George, but as Rebecca Locke, and it pissed her off that Paul would see her as the "lost, little girl" she no longer is. But Becky was strong, Becky got away. And also, Paul accused her of being "defined by her wounds," which also pissed her off. I think her motivation then, for going into Brandt's apartment, was to test herself. To see if, after all this time, she could escape from a similar situation as Becky did--being held captive, alone and restrained by someone who she believed could cause her harm. Could she keep it together? Could she handle it?

The answer turns out to be "No." She went into his apartment, he forcibly kissed her, and immediately after beginning, cuffed her. And she freaked the hell out. Had flashbacks to her kidnapping. She failed her test. She isn't strong enough mentally to deal with that situation. Yet. Which doesn't surprise me, because she did fail her academy psych screening, and that had to have sent that particular red flag up immediately. I don't know if Web hopes she'll gain that strength by doing the job or if he doesn't care, but she could have a serious breakdown.

Obviously she hasn't fully dealt with her childhood ordeal, and she has to, or else she's in trouble. Becky was strong. Becky got away. Rebecca's a different story. Seems to me she's the one who's lost.

(It was a different scenario last week. She was in a public place, for one. And I believe, had Web not shown up, that she could have found a moment to turn the tables on Simon.)

I won't comment on the BDSM, because I know little about the practice, but Brandt was indeed an arrogant asshole. Oh, and has anybody considered the idea that the reason Strong chopped the women's hair was because generally, males have short hair, and Brandt was a male....and....well, you get the picture.

Oh, and has anybody considered the idea that the reason Strong chopped the women's hair was because generally, males have short hair, and Brandt was a male....and....well, you get the picture.

Yep. In fact, I thought that was explicitly pointed out in the episode. He chopped their hair and covered them with Brandt's cologne to make them more like Brandt so he could rape him in proxy.