Okay, um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm angry, and I'm armed, so if you two have something that you need to work out --

Mal ,'War Stories'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Allyson - Jun 16, 2005 5:30:36 am PDT #9204 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yeah, that had me confused. I also didn't understand why Strong killed himself

Self-hatred. He was gay, he hated that he was, he hated that he was obsessed with this guy, he went nuts.


Allyson - Jun 16, 2005 5:35:32 am PDT #9205 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

insent, jessica


Kevin - Jun 16, 2005 5:54:32 am PDT #9206 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I started writing my book last night (it's a retelling of a pilot I wrote a few months ago). The opening chapter features the end of the world told through the eyes of a cat called Jessica. I'd no idea why I'd used the name Jessica (it wasn't in the script), so I think Buffistas is affecting my brain...


Amy - Jun 16, 2005 5:56:59 am PDT #9207 of 10001
Because books.

Self-hatred.

That's what I got. When Brandt said, "You're weak," and Strong said, "I know," I knew what he was going to do. He hated what he had become, and he knew he didn't have it in him to change.

There's also that idea of what's the worse punishment -- if he had killed Brandt, it would have been over for him. Now, he has to live with the memory of the rape, and everything that happened.

Which could apply to Rebecca, too, but it's all in how you deal with it, what you take away from violence and how you can use it, good or bad.


DavidS - Jun 16, 2005 6:01:18 am PDT #9208 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't know - in a way it read to me as a really tender moment, which gave me a kind of shocked thrill.

That's how it played for me. And it was a really complex, fascinating moment. She asked to unlock him - she wanted to have that exchange. She challenged Paul's one-dimensional view of Hart's character. She knew he was a prick, but she understood him.

For daring to make a game out of what she's been through for real and presuming to understand anything about real power or control, even if she also understands that that's a false comparison on many levels, and therefore a really unfair judgement to make.

I think this was going on as well. But it was more gentle than snarky. (Though definitely putting his words back in his face.) She knows from damage. She knows from inappropriate or not socially normative survival strategies. She knows ambiguity and ambivalence and how motives don't always run in straight lines.

In fact, all of Rebecca's actions and lines in this episode really made her character snap into focus for me. Her getting tied up didn't tweak any of my damsel concerns, and I thought there were some very subtle topping-from-the-bottom clues to Rebecca's character. This time I did believe she was strong.

Also, I am really liking Rachel's acting. It's very underplayed with a purposefully flat, guarded vocal style but very expressive face that flashes past her guardedness.


Jessica - Jun 16, 2005 6:04:38 am PDT #9209 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But it was more gentle than snarky.

I think she was aiming for gentle, and mostly succeeded. But there were layers she couldn't hide. (That's what I was trying to say above.)


Astarte - Jun 16, 2005 6:05:09 am PDT #9210 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

Wait, wasn't she saying that Brandt was in control, that Strong was never in control? And Strong was the one who died. Or did I totally misread that line.

Brandt was definitely the dominant one (or in control, if you prefer) as the object of Strong's obsession. In the actual rape, I think it's a lot grayer-though helped by Strong's brains getting splattered on the decor at the end.

I was thinking more of the other victims of Strong's second series, who did end up dead. I don't think that was their intention. (Again, the first group that lived is le area gray.)

Paige Fuller wanted to kiss Death and maybe try to warm up his cold, er, cockles and bones, but I don't think her plan was to become a full time consort.


lilserf - Jun 16, 2005 6:06:16 am PDT #9211 of 10001
Friends don't let friends dismiss Veronica Mars unjustly.

After thinking about this scene overnight, my current interpretation of Rebecca's line is something like:

"I still think you were full of it saying that 'surviving' an S&M session makes you stronger. But take my word for it, surviving real-life abduction and abuse really does."

The snark is there, but it's more of a "now you really understand what you were talking about before" feel.


DavidS - Jun 16, 2005 6:07:16 am PDT #9212 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think she was aiming for gentle, and mostly succeeded. But there were layers she couldn't hide. (That's what I was trying to say above.)

You're right. Because she doesn't really have a handle on being gentle yet either.


DavidS - Jun 16, 2005 6:10:07 am PDT #9213 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The snark is there, but it's more of a "now you really understand what you were talking about before" feel.

I didn't get that as much as her reassuring him that there was some truth in his facile words.

Oh, and I didn't get the hair-chopping until I realized the killer was trying to make them look more like Club Guy.

Btw, the names on this show are very Dickensian.