Simon: The decision saved your life. Zoe: Won't happen again, sir. Mal: Good. And thanks. I'm grateful. Zoe: It was my pleasure, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


DebetEsse - Jun 15, 2005 10:53:22 pm PDT #9188 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Well, the guy's on the dishing end of the thing, not the receiving, so it's vaguely academic, and, while he may be right, it's not the visceral kind of knowing. What was done to him (and, previously, to her), is, put in its simplest form, what he's been playing at.

There's a lot of rather snarky, "You so don't own the deep end of the control pool." But also some genuine, "I know what this is, and you can come out on the other side."

And I'd lay folding money he'll be redecorating his basement.


Kevin - Jun 16, 2005 1:15:16 am PDT #9189 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Right... The obvious question, folks: anybody know what the overnights numbers show?


Kiba Rika - Jun 16, 2005 1:37:55 am PDT #9190 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

I don't like Paul much in this episode. He seems to have "Nice guys finish last" syndrome. I even said to my boyfriend at one point, "Maybe the killer is some guy who got rejected by one of those women like Paul did, and followed him around to punish those women..." It was a half-baked theory. In any case, his snap judgements really irritated me. I have a feeling this is going to be a theme. Which, if I liked all the characters on the show, something would be wrong. (And I do like Web, at least in the sense that I find him terribly fascinating.)

Still hoping for more of Mel & Danny, though of course keeping in mind that as they aren't part of the power struggle, they are more peripheral characters.

...I often feel like Rebecca is River, speaking through Inara's mouth. She says things that are dream-like and spooky, but she says them in this incredibly formal cadence. Again, on rewatch I bet I will be able to reconcile the two, but I still find it a bit jarring first time through.

My favorite part is how it WASN'T church-guy. Because that would've been the easy way out.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 16, 2005 2:47:59 am PDT #9191 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

No, you're remembering it right. Thank you. So do you think it was a sincere comment, or a snappy wisecrack, when she said it at the end?

I think it was sincere given what she said to Paul later about "Who do you think was really in control here?".

Also, off-topic, Emily - where did your tag come from? It sounds like a riff on the last line of RAISING ARIZONA.


Sue - Jun 16, 2005 3:02:16 am PDT #9192 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Oh, I meant to say last night. What's up with the shadow puppets? First on Firefly, now in guy's apartment. A shoutout? Obsession?


Astarte - Jun 16, 2005 4:02:18 am PDT #9193 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

So do you think it was a sincere comment, or a snappy wisecrack, when she said it at the end?

Put me in the sincerity wrapped in a barb category.

Was it a "good" thing to do? Not really, but Rebecca's judgement's a little skewed in general.

And I don't know that I buy the "control" thing as presented by Rebecca (I keep wanting to spell her name "Rebekah", which is my spelling. CogDiss baby) vis a vis the murderer/dom thing.

Because I'm thinking that if the session ends with you dead, you pretty much by definition either didn't have control or had a very intricate suicide plan.


amych - Jun 16, 2005 4:08:55 am PDT #9194 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

very intricate suicide

Nah, that was last week.

I don't think Rebecca meant it as a wisecrack, exactly -- but I think she was very aware that there was some serious edge to her saying it.


Astarte - Jun 16, 2005 4:15:05 am PDT #9195 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

True enough, amych, but if you're also manipulating someone else into doing you that's an extra layer of weird complexity.

Death by snarkery. I wonder if that's a checkoff box on the coroner's forms?


brenda m - Jun 16, 2005 4:46:40 am PDT #9196 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't think Rebecca meant it as a wisecrack, exactly -- but I think she was very aware that there was some serious edge to her saying it.

I don't know - in a way it read to me as a really tender moment, which gave me a kind of shocked thrill. Wherever the control lies, in the earlier scenes she was in his world - and now suddenly he's been thrown into hers, and she becomes the guide. So I didn't take it as just a suface "you were right, and now you'll see how much stronger you are after suffering" exactly. But - eh, I don't know. I can see how you can definitely take it as barbed, but I thought there was something else going on there.


-t - Jun 16, 2005 4:52:22 am PDT #9197 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Because I'm thinking that if the session ends with you dead, you pretty much by definition either didn't have control or had a very intricate suicide plan.

Wait, wasn't she saying that Brandt was in control, that Strong was never in control? And Strong was the one who died. Or did I totally misread that line.

Or am I not understanding what you're saying?