Angel: Eve. So, I guess we should, I don't know, talk? Eve: About what? Angel: About what happened back there with us. Eve: Angel, it's not like this is the first time I've had sex under a mystical influence. I went to U.C. Santa Cruz.

'Life of the Party'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


JenP - May 27, 2005 3:41:48 pm PDT #7451 of 10001

Welcome, Jade.

I didn't know that - about theater tickets not being particularly profitable. I mind theater ads even less, then. Bring it on. And previews are the best; I hate missing previews. Although, it is kind of disappointing when not a one of them appeals in any way. But that's rare (for me).

So, what do we have, 12 days now? Sweet. Twelve days is so much better than four months.


Kevin - May 27, 2005 3:43:46 pm PDT #7452 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I. Can't. Fucking. Wait. For. The. Inside. To. Start.

That is all.

(PS: Hello Jade).


aurelia - May 27, 2005 3:47:03 pm PDT #7453 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'll get to watch 2 episodes before I leave the state for 6 weeks of tv-lessness. Who wants to be my backup in case the VCR misbehaves in my absence?


Allyson - May 27, 2005 4:21:58 pm PDT #7454 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Looks like they've ramped up advertising. Just caught an ad during The Simpsons.


Kevin - May 27, 2005 4:34:05 pm PDT #7455 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Since I live in the UK, I don't know the following...

What was the advertising like for Firefly? Was it comparable in visibility?

What was the advertising like for Wonderfalls?

I don't really know how much Fox believes in this one, but Wednesdays and the amount of advertising I'm hearing of bodes well for me. Unless I'm mistaken.


Gris - May 27, 2005 4:35:55 pm PDT #7456 of 10001
Hey. New board.

What was the advertising like for Firefly? Was it comparable in visibility?

I'm going with "Not even close" but that's second-hand. Also, I've seen the promos. They were terrible. These appear to be good.

What was the advertising like for Wonderfalls?

It was a comedy. My friends watch The Simpsons and King of the Hill every. single. day. in the house lounge after dinner. Over 30 of my friends. None of them ever heard of it until after it was cancelled and I randomly started watching my episodes at 2 a.m. one evening.

I think Fox believes.


Allyson - May 27, 2005 4:44:07 pm PDT #7457 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I can't remember the ads for Wonderfalls.

The ads for Firefly were plentiful, but a poor representation of the series. It was sort of advertised as a wacky romp in space. Hang on...I think I wrote about it...

Judging from the advertisements Fox put together for Firefly, the network not only didn’t understand their product, they were determined to have it bite the curb and stomp on its head.

The series was about a group of freedom fighters who were on the losing side of an interplanetary war, and had taken up a life of crime to keep themselves from starving to death. It was pretty grim. The music Fox chose to play during the commercials for Firefly was the maniacally zany song, “Walking on the Sun” by frat boy favorites, Smash Mouth. Apparently, the network confused this dark riff on the depressed era of the Reconstruction for MTV’s Spring Break.


Allyson - May 27, 2005 4:45:09 pm PDT #7458 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

The ads I've seen for The Inside represent the scripts I've read, and Tim's description of the series really well.


Kristen - May 27, 2005 5:05:10 pm PDT #7459 of 10001

I can't remember the ads for Wonderfalls.

Let me refresh your memory.

I always thought the promos reflected WF, which is more than, say, the FF marketing did, but they didn't really grab you and make you want to watch. The show was hard to sell.


JadeHand - May 27, 2005 5:47:50 pm PDT #7460 of 10001
"Waiting to be recognised, quite applause will do. They shower you with flowers, when they bury you." -Brave -Marillion.

Hey all, Thanks for the welcomes.

On Movietime: I dislike ads (commercials, I can see them on TV for free) though I now have a better understanding of the need for them. I love to see "previews" (movie trailers) if the are suitable for the expected audience. What I mean is, I saw Hitchhiker's Guide and there were almost 10 previews. No Serenity, but 7 or so were for preteen movies "sharkboy", "herbie", "kicking and screaming", "jumanji in space", etc. Not that I wish to disparage these movies or their audience, I just didn't feel they fit with "the Guide".

On ads for previous shows: I agree with Allyson (and nicely done with the American History X reference). Wonderfalls ads were few, they made me watch, but obviously didn't work for the masses. Firefly ads completely failed to give any accurate indication of the true nature of the show. I watched as a fan of Joss, Buffy, and Angel, and fell in love.

On taping The Inside: I'll be taping in order to show it off to people who don't listen to me and watch it themselves. Apparently the ability to FF past ads helps.