I like money better than people. People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and/or services!

Willow ,'Showtime'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:09:13 pm PST #5091 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I don't think your attitude to costuming defines costuming.

But my experience is that costumers recognize other people's condition; they make no effect to produce it. People in hall costumes don't wander the halls saying "Isn't this lovely? I know a cheap sewing machine you could try."

Whereas Suela, for Farscape, did everything short of putting a DVD in her garter and flashing it on streetcorners. And more power to her.


Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 12:10:53 pm PST #5092 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

But popularity is NOT the same thing--status has to do with someone recognizing you as better, and it doesn't matter whether they like you or not.

My experience says differently. Popularity in my teens meant power. Sometimes, quantitative skills or possessions (your definition of status) could confer power (jocks, rich kids), and sometimes it couldn't (nerds). But popularity always meant power, and not liking. That's the whole concept behind sucking up, isn't it?


P.M. Marc - Mar 07, 2005 12:11:08 pm PST #5093 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hmm. I don't try to convince people that Historic Costuming Is Cool, although I very happily talk to people who share my interest. Does that mean that costuming is not fannish?

I'm unclear what you mean. Do you seek out other costumers/spend your time planning for the next RenFaire-like-thing, or is costuming something you enjoy, but that doesn't inspire you to go to great lengths to geek about it. Costuming can be very fannish, but that doesn't mean that someone who enjoys costuming is going to be a fandom-type-person about it.

(Just woke from nap. Sorry if my request for clarity is unclear.)


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 12:11:24 pm PST #5094 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't see anything inherently evangelical about fandoms, no. In fact, the idea that a fandom is something that makes you special (even if the mundanes aren't sophisticated enough to realise your true brilliance) and isn't open to everyone doesn't contradict my feeling of fandom at all.

Suela's an exhibitionist. That's all. Like I'm a krav exhibitionist, but that doesn't mean I'm in a martial arts fandom.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:13:13 pm PST #5095 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Do you seek out other costumers/spend your time planning for the next RenFaire-like-thing, or is costuming something you enjoy, but that doesn't inspire you to go to great lengths to geek about it.

Pretty much B. I may be a fan, but I am shy. So I read mailing lists and buy books and (rarely) sew some.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 12:15:18 pm PST #5096 of 10001
What is even happening?

Do you post to the list, Betsy? Do the other costumers know of you, the way you know of random Buffista?


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 12:15:33 pm PST #5097 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's what I meant about your attitude to costuming not reflecting costuming as a whole. Just because you're 'merely' a fan doesn't mean there's no fandom.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:21:51 pm PST #5098 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Do the other costumers know of you, the way you know of random Buffista?

I doubt it. Hey, I'm a lurker! I can support people in E-mail now!


Scrappy - Mar 07, 2005 12:27:08 pm PST #5099 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Main Entry: pop·u·lar
Pronunciation: 'pä-py&-l&r Function: adjective Etymology: Latin popularis, from populus the people, a people 1 : of or relating to the general public 2 : suitable to the majority: as a : adapted to or indicative of the understanding and taste of the majority b : suited to the means of the majority : INEXPENSIVE 3 : frequently encountered or widely accepted 4 : commonly liked or approved

So, I meant the fourth definition. I know that poularity can give one power (and the most awful people can be popular in high school), but for the sake of my argument, I meant being liked.


Jessica - Mar 07, 2005 12:30:08 pm PST #5100 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

suited to the means of the majority : INEXPENSIVE

Heh. I like this one -- popular = CHEAP.