Nothin'. I just wanted you to face me so she could get behind ya.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Betsy HP - Sep 29, 2004 3:54:17 pm PDT #2410 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Look, I saw the first Star Wars movie when I was twenty-two. My childhood? Not so much.

I disliked the prequels because I thought they were badly written. Most people agreed, before the prequels, that the best-written of the three movies was *The Empire Strikes Back*, which wasn't written by Lucas at all. I wasn't complaining that Lucas had raped my young-adulthood back when Empire came out, because Empire was in many ways better than Star Wars.

If I'm complaining about the prequels (and I am), it's because I felt no emotional connection to the events. I admired Han, Luke, and Leia in their separate ways. I feel contempt for Anakin and Amidala.


Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 3:56:14 pm PDT #2411 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

"As long as the good monkey crack doesn't wear off, go you with being the last defender of George."

I may be a lone defender at this board but there are plenty of folks that dig the movies elsewhere. Not that critical opinion is in any way needed to justify my opinion but both prequels have a fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes. Roger Ebert even gave The Phantom Menace three and a half stars out of four. Just saying.

"Here's another opinion stated as opinion: make the bad man stop making movies. No, not after this one. Right now."

Too late. It's already been shot. :p


Consuela - Sep 29, 2004 4:02:24 pm PDT #2412 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I feel contempt for Anakin and Amidala.

What Betsy said. Did they ever go back and rescue that poor woman out of slavery?


Allyson - Sep 29, 2004 4:04:55 pm PDT #2413 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh dear. I have just realized that given the choice between watching the prequels and and having to write a 5000 word essay on how excellent the girly stinky elf movie is, I'd choose Mary the stinky elf, every. time.


Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 4:07:59 pm PDT #2414 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

Kalshane - Sep 29, 2004 4:13:55 pm PDT #2415 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Most people agreed, before the prequels, that the best-written of the three movies was *The Empire Strikes Back*, which wasn't written by Lucas at all.

Actually, Lucas was involved in the writing process. He just had help and had someone else direct. So while it was the movie that had the least personal involvment from him, he was still involved. (Though I do agree with you. As a kid, I liked Jedi the best. As an adult, Empire is my favorite.)


Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 4:18:01 pm PDT #2416 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

"Actually, Lucas was involved in the writing process. He just had help and had someone else direct. So while it was the movie that had the least personal involvment from him, he was still involved. (Though I do agree with you. As a kid, I liked Jedi the best. As an adult, Empire is my favorite.)"

Yeah, George Lucas actually did write the first couple drafts of Empire and I recently read one of them and it turns out almost all the elements that show up in the finished film were there from his drafts. Interesting enough in every draft of the script Vader said, "Obi-Wan murdered your father." instead of his famous line because Lucas wanted to keep the secret from getting out and Mark Hammill only found out just before he did the scene.


Betsy HP - Sep 29, 2004 4:22:22 pm PDT #2417 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Plot elements alone do not make a great script. I think if he'd done the scenario and called in a script writer, he'd have had a far better result in the prequels.


Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 4:26:02 pm PDT #2418 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

George Lucas co-wrote Attack Of The Clones with Jonathan Hales and Revenge Of The Sith with Tom Stoppard.


Mr. Broom - Sep 29, 2004 4:27:27 pm PDT #2419 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Yeah, George Lucas actually did write the first couple drafts of Empire and I recently read one of them and it turns out almost all the elements that show up in the finished film were there from his drafts.
Except the dialogue, I promise you. Having not read those drafts, I can still say with utter confidence that ESB's dialogue was not a Lucas undertaking. Because it was good.

This is the primary reason why the prequels with their colorful cast of characters played by highly experienced actors at the top of their game, sucks--even a great actor cannot save that much awful dialogue. It drags down the character. I wanted to laugh at most of Anakin's dialogue in Ep. II, and I think Hayden Christiansen is a fantastic actor. Lucas hamstrung the lot of them by refusing to acknowledge his own shortcomings.