No big. It finally dawned on me that I wasn't in Natter, and probably shouldn't have gone on like that. Sorry!

Thus, I hearby stop.

for now.

Huh. Fascinating. Thanks, Rick for the information. I had no idea, and that really is interesting and compelling to me.

Our family says haole, of course, and generally means it factually or at least playfully. They say it about us, too, though, when we do something stupid like forget to take our slippers off at the door. I think there's a real distinction between mainlanders and Hawaii residents that goes beyond race. My SO tends to interpret it as derogatory, though, but he's never really been there and spent time there, so it's hard for him to gauge.

I didn't know the etymology, though, Lori, so that's interesting, too. And yeah, my sister and pretty much my whole generation of cousins has married outside of the race in one way or another (Filipino being the most controversial) so all the next generation are hapa. But this was the first generation to do so, in my family, and it was a pretty big to-do when it started. I'm on the youngest end of my family, so by the time it got to me, everyone was like, eh, okay, let's have a party.

Our family says haole, of course, and generally means it factually or at least playfully. They say it about us, too, though, when we do something stupid like forget to take our slippers off at the door.

Yeah, this was the usage that I am most familiar with (outside fo the regular identification of what you are). When I'm doing something stupid or thoughtless or not the way it's done in Hawaii (haole rice, for example, I'm assuming that's converted rice or instant rice) I get told that's my haole side.

I think there's a real distinction between mainlanders and Hawaii residents that goes beyond race.

So very true. Sure, haole is used factually, but there's also a derogatory (even if playful) usage that is used to show that distinction.

(haole rice, for example, I'm assuming that's converted rice or instant rice

Katie's reference to haole rice came when we were describing the rice in the University cafeteria as sticky and gloppy mess with lots of starch, instead of individual grains. She said, that's the way I like it, not haole rice.

Filipino being the most controversial

Why so?

I'm curious because one of my best friends, who is Filipina, moved to Hawaii this year. I've been reading about it a bit and am going to visit in the fall. (Am very excited, of course!)

I'm guessing among my Japanese American relatives, the predominant (of many) prejudice is against that particular ethnic heritage. Dunno why. Something about labor, maybe?

Mal Shrugged?

t stands by for things to get political up in here

Dusts off old Table Talk posts on Ayn Rand.

I don't think we need to make fun of Randites for their philosophy. In the third paragraph of that article, the author describes something as "very unique".

I think that is a "flay person alive and stake to anthill covered in honey" offense right there.

Also, you know what? Not unique. I recognize every one of those characters as parts of the Joss Personality Color Wheel.