Hey, Kat, do you consider haoli/haole to be a derogatory term?

It was meant to be derogatory, I think. I mean haole equates, in the usage I've been exposed to most often, as touristy, ignorant, not understanding.

There's also something interestingly matter-of-fact about the Hawaiian need to categorize people's backgrounds. I can remember introductions to people sounding like, "Oh, Heidi? She's hapa: German, Mexican, Japanese."

That's fascinating, Rick.

What's the normally occurring incidence of that gene in black folk, Rick?

I don't know, but people think that it was a mutation to enhance vitamin D absorption in northern climates, so it's probably pretty low. Really, about all I know is the consistent story that it's more common in people furthest north in Asia just as it is in the people furthest north in Europe. It does seem to me that I saw a paper once where they were trying to figure out why this allele was more common than expected in Jamaica, if that's why your are asking. Unfortunately, I don't remember what they found.

they were trying to figure out why this allele was more common than expected in Jamaica

I'm guessing that it's nothing as simple as all the miscegenating with the Scots, huh? Because there is a lot of that, and it's the cause in my family.

I'm guessing that it's nothing as simple as all the miscegenating with the Scots, huh? Because there is a lot of that, and it's the cause in my family.

I'm sure that this was one of the main options, but there were lots of places where the English imported Scots and Irish to their colonies, and redness shows up in Jamaica more than the others--or at least that is what I vaguely remember. But really, I think that the gene is at least partially dominant, so you don't need much of a difference in prevalence in the people being imported for it to be noticeable.

there were lots of places where the English imported Scots and Irish to their colonies, and redness shows up in Jamaica more than the others

Do they all have equivalent degrees of miscegenation? I don't think there was much of a genetic disparity between the slaves dropped off in Ja from the ones that went elsewhere, unless there's some tie between being unbearable and red hair.

I'd guess it'd have to lie somewhere else, that it'd be more likely some behaviour post-arrival encourage the spreading of the red (really, it's just what we call people who have a bunch of white blood in them -- redbones -- I don't know if that term is used in the US or not). And I'm way stressing the "guess" here.

I don't know about the degrees of Scot and Irish migration in other islands either -- but I think ours was primarily Scottish, NSM with the Irish.

ita, is there controversy regarding color in Jamaica (light skin v. dark skin) like there is in South America?

I'll try to find that paper, ita, but I think that you probably have distinguished the two main possibilites. Either there was something different in the "founder" population of genes on the island or there was something different about the sociology of the place as the populaton grew.

We got the mad shadism going on, yup. My mother, for instance, grew up understanding her family should marry outside the town, because she was too closely related to all the light-skinned folk near home, and those were the only options.

She did marry darker than her (not a reach, but she was the only one of her family to do so) -- and my dad got shit for it, from at least one source. Apparently marrying as light as Ma ita was a betrayal to the cause.

Sadly, the phrase "She ain't light, she's my mother!" was the first thing that came to mind when I heard that story. And it's stuck now.

It's a crazy currency. We're the light bright side of the family, some say. Eh, whatever. Some relatives stay in the sun (the darker the berry the sweeter the juice). Others stay out and wear kabuki-light makeup. And then there are those that dye their hair black, and are sensitive about going blonde in the sun.

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I'll try to find that paper, ita

That would be great, Rick. My mother dabbles in genetic research, so I'll throw it at her too. She'll throw it right back, but at least she knows I'm paying attention.

I don't know if that term is used in the US or not).

It's used, at least in my ex's family.