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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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Sherry - Jun 16, 2004 9:34:49 am PDT #1826 of 3531
"Oh, God, don't go in there! That's where he keeps his full strength crazy."

Hi, I'm new here. I noticed today this article about management at the WB [link] I like to think the Angel fans might have had some influence in Mr. Levin's being demoted. What do ya'll think?


Allyson - Jun 16, 2004 9:37:21 am PDT #1827 of 3531
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think not.


bon bon - Jun 16, 2004 9:45:35 am PDT #1828 of 3531
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Reasons behind the WB shakeup.


Allyson - Jun 16, 2004 9:59:38 am PDT #1829 of 3531
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm not dancing on Levin's grave. I don't want my cute shoes to get all muddy.

And also? Can't wait to see what the producers create in the coming years.

Fans seem to be mourning the Buffy/Angelverse loss in the upcoming schedule, and I'm not, not at all. I've come to see the cancellation as a blessing, as the writers are all so incredible, and having them go off to put their big spicy brains to work in developing new shows can (if I'm optimistic) maybe be part of a renaissance in television, after this low point of crap wears on people, and audiences are hungry for something special, unique, story-driven, original, yummy.

I saw someone wanting to campaign for Angel to be returned to the WB after Levin's departure, and kept thinking, "please, please, stop shoving a high voltage wire up the ass of a rotting corpse to see it jump."

I want new things out of Whedon, Minear, Fury, Espenson, Goddard brains.


Allyson - Jun 16, 2004 10:05:08 am PDT #1830 of 3531
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

And if I'm honest? I was seeing it as a blessing for me, too. I was tired.


lisah - Jun 16, 2004 10:07:08 am PDT #1831 of 3531
Punishingly Intricate

I'm with Allyson. hear hear.

It does mean I have to keep shelling out for HBO this next year otherwise I'd have nothing to watch on the regular tv (which maybe wouldn't be a bad thing...) Although, I'm hoping Lost is good. It is intriguing to me.


Fred Pete - Jun 16, 2004 10:26:23 am PDT #1832 of 3531
Ann, that's a ferret.

I'd like to be with Allyson. But I'm not so optimistic about the intelligence of network suits.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 16, 2004 10:51:26 am PDT #1833 of 3531
What is even happening?

I saw someone wanting to campaign for Angel to be returned to the WB after Levin's departure, and kept thinking, "please, please, stop shoving a high voltage wire up the ass of a rotting corpse to see it jump."

From all reports Boreanaz is glad to be free of the series. He's repeatedly said it was like a weight was lifted off his shoulders, and has, since the moment the axe fell. It is ridiculous to keep up any sort of campaigning at this point, imo. It's a waste of money, talent, and enthusiasm, and it makes the fandom look (to me) more than slightly ridiculous.

I want new things out of Whedon, Minear, Fury, Espenson, Goddard brains.

Yes please, but I have little confidence they are going to get the opportunity to work on the kinds of properties they deserve.

I'd like to be with Allyson. But I'm not so optimistic about the intelligence of network suits.

Neither am I. I am not optimistic that they know how to promote, schedule, and foster smart shows. I am even less confident in the business model. It doesn't pay for them to foster a smart show 'til it takes off. A respectable hit doesn't bring the advertising dollars or publicity that a smash hit does. It seems to me that (especially lately) the smash hits have all been the less expensive shows. So it's like a double no-brainer for them. Lots of money. Little work.

The earth is doomed.


libkitty - Jun 16, 2004 11:08:28 am PDT #1834 of 3531
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Perhaps the Jossverse, Minearverse, et al, have instilled this pessimististic optimism in me. I think that Angel's brilliant writers will move to other shows. They will improve the shows until we may actually have some watchable TV. Then the suits will cancel them all and we'll be left with dreck.


Allyson - Jun 16, 2004 11:10:44 am PDT #1835 of 3531
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

The tide will turn. Oddly, network television is becoming more and more perverse, while cable just keeps getting better.

I love USA's shows, Monk, Touching Evil, and Dead Zone. FX has the Shield and Nip/Tuck. Comedy Central, Cartoon Network, and even TNT have some tasty goodness going on, as well.

Networks have sports, the same old sitcoms, and increasingly sleazy reality programming. I can't differentiate between the networks anymore, aside from UPN and their "urban" branding. "Urban" seems to be a code word for, "our shows have Black folks!"