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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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MechaKrelboyne - May 26, 2004 5:58:52 am PDT #1504 of 3531
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious

So I'm struck by the liklihood of this being the last time I dig my way up through hundreds of posts to reach the top of the thread. I feel two ways about it. It's pretty hard work, but from an archeological viewpoint, there's gold in them thar holes. That's quite possibly a mixed metaphor, but the fact remains that the days of me spending days thinking about a TV show are gone now, and not likely to come back soon, I'm thinking. On the other hand, it was a damn fine end.

So that's where I'll start my last ramble. Shroedingers Ending caught me by surprise. I couldn't tally what I'd seen and come up with an hour. Confused the hell out of me. Most of what I think about the last scene has been covered, as usual. Alleyway thoughts. The outcome not being shown becsause it's not the important bit. The ep cutting off almost in mid line because the series was jerked up short too. The only thing I can really think to add is that if there'd been any hint of an army of slayers I'd've thrown rocks at my TV. Which would've led to a reckoning, since it's actually my roommate's TV. Which is not to say they're all dead and that's that. When I say Shroedinger's Ending, I mean just that.

Angel and Spike, Gunn and The Fred Thing are all in a box somewhere. At some point, ME will land that nebulous TV movie deal, or won't. At that point the box opens, and we see if they're alive or not. Until then, they exist in both states, fighting and escaping, fighting and dying. For my part I'm fine with that. I'm just thinking if there's going to be any Machina action, I'd prefer Deus Ex Illyria to Deus Ex Buffy et al.

If they all die, I'm perfectly fine with that. It's a good ending. On the other hand, should the opportunity come for more story, all they have to do to is have the collapsing office building break the tachyon mojo vacuum that has Big Blue's juice in it, thereby reversing the polarity.

In the middle of the fight, she clutches her gut and goes down, all the baddies cheer, and press forward. Then a portal appears in front of Gunn as he staggers into one last charge, and he lands in the ER of a not too local hospital, Baddies go flying every which way, and Time Stop. While Time Stop is going on, Angel and Spike and The Thing That is Suddenly Very, Very Powerful Again go on an utter rampage, then She either reins herself in before she explodes, walling off the greater part of her power and leaving a much more doable fight, or she grabs a vamp in each hand and heaves them as far as she can manage (which, for all we know, could be Reno) before going critical and leaving a whole lot barbecued evil and a couple of razed buildings in her wake. They could even use the time bomb factor to save Wes, though I don't think they should, much as it pains me to say. There's my own personal 'If they live...' fanwank.


MechaKrelboyne - May 26, 2004 6:03:23 am PDT #1505 of 3531
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious

OOh, hey. People posting while I'm typing a ramble. Cool.

I'd really prefer it if Lindsey's death had been pretty much left to Lorne's discretion, but I don't think that was the case. The man said it himself. 'This was Angel's plan.'


arby - May 26, 2004 8:36:42 am PDT #1506 of 3531
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Aw, Allyson got a shout-out from Strega in the last recap:

Angel is lurking in a coffee shop, no doubt supporting Allyson in email.


Consuela - May 26, 2004 8:42:30 am PDT #1507 of 3531
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Angel is lurking in a coffee shop, no doubt supporting Allyson in email.

BWah!

... Does kind of make it look like Strega lurks here, doesn't it? Although the Lurkers Support Me in Email thing is all over the net, anyway.


Nutty - May 26, 2004 8:57:36 am PDT #1508 of 3531
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I liked Are You Now... because it was proof that Angel can have good hair -- in the era of Brylcreem. It's the best hair he ever had.

Also, because despite the tendency toward anvils, it was a pretty good story, with a dark twist, and I liked all the secondary characters as they spiraled into the looniness. -- I mean, I thought the lines were snappy and well-delivered, not that I actually liked the characters. So, more of a respect for the group dynamics.

Also, I can forgive rather a lot of anvillery for beautiful scenery, and that episode was beautiful.

I think the tendency in polls of "best episodes" is toward later seasons and not-controversial episodes. Why? Because it always takes a while for a fandom to get started, and people who leave a fandom aren't the ones taking polls -- how many of us started watching in S3 or S4? Of those, how many have a sentimental attachment to episodes in those seasons we acknowledge are lesser?

Also, the non-controversy thing is just -- avoidance of controversy. I always thought XF's Never Again was brilliant, but enough people hated it vocally that I'd just rather not listen to them bitch and try to find some choice that won't cause screaming. Group dynamics, again.


Scrutinizer - May 26, 2004 9:01:58 am PDT #1509 of 3531
I've lived to bury my desires,/And see my dreams corrode with rust;/Now all that left are fruitless fires/That burn my empty heart to dust.

I always thought XF's Never Again was brilliant, but enough people hated it vocally that I'd just rather not listen to them bitch and try to find some choice that won't cause screaming. Group dynamics, again.

Bwah! OBSSE or Scullyship, maybe?


Polter-Cow - May 26, 2004 9:02:53 am PDT #1510 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Does kind of make it look like Strega lurks here, doesn't it?

Yes, it does, doesn't it. *wink, wink*

Although the Lurkers Support Me in Email thing is all over the net, anyway.

It is? This was the first place I'd heard of it. And Allyson isn't all over the net.

Well, not officially.


Nutty - May 26, 2004 9:03:52 am PDT #1511 of 3531
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Dude, name your poison. I kept telling people, anyone who beats his downstairs neighbor to death with a golf club, to the happy strains of the Partridge Family, can't be all wrong. But do they listen?

I spent time on Scullyfic, but NA-hate seems to be a consistent, vocal minority in any large group of Philes.


Scrutinizer - May 26, 2004 9:07:36 am PDT #1512 of 3531
I've lived to bury my desires,/And see my dreams corrode with rust;/Now all that left are fruitless fires/That burn my empty heart to dust.

I spent time on Scullyfic, but NA-hate seems to be a consistent, vocal minority in any large group of Philes.
Just the provincially-minded who didn't believe Scully would shag a guy who listened to his tattoo. Whadda they know?


P.M. Marc - May 26, 2004 9:33:54 am PDT #1513 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

IIRC, Meara ran into a F2F of TWoPpers and yes, some of the TWoP PTB lurk here.

I could use more TLAs and FLAs, but someone would then have to shoot me.