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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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Consuela - May 22, 2004 9:40:02 am PDT #1362 of 3531
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

This is crossposted from my LJ, apologies to repeaters. Also a bit stream-of-consciousness.

I keep thinking about alleyways and how they're outside the civilized spaces. About how by the end Angel has taken them back out of the ambiguity, removed them from the grey area. Which is why Lindsey had to die: Angel's last act as head of Wolfram and Hart was to reject all the compromises -- but in order to do that, he had to accept into himself the evil he was fighting, by killing Drogyn and Lindsey. It's a mobius strip of morality, twisting into darkness and back into the light.

But that last moment: despite the darkness, and the blood, and the looming disaster, it's all glittery with light reflected and broken by the rain. With the MoG seizing control of their own destinies again -- oh, that word. Maybe I mean fate? No. I mean, I think, that their armor and their honor has been tarnished by their willingness to listen to the whispering lies of compromise, of accommodation. Get along, go along: have some perspective. Consider the big picture. Let this demon live to keep the peace, set that one free because he balances the other, kill Drogyn or you'll both die.

Individual morality was chained by Wolfram and Hart, trammelled for its own purposes. Gunn with his secret deals, Angel with the cutting of his losses, with the loss of the respect of Buffy and her new Council, Wes held in place despite his suspicions. Keeping Harmony around because she's a familiar face, if a soulless one.

That's all gone at the end: things are simple again. And that's all Angel ever really wanted. Simple choices: Kill or die. Kill and die. Love Buffy, look after his friends, protect the world.

This is why, maybe, Wes had to die. Gunn, now, has stepped back to the world of absolutes. No more deals. Illyria has no room for subtle distinctions, or even human morality at all: she's all about personal loyalties, personal preferences. (Angel rejects the possibility of redemption for Lindsey -- perhaps because he only trusts Lindsey when he's in the room with him? But Lindsey doesn't have it in him to commit to a cause, or so Angel would see it.) The others could come back into an either/or world, the realm of black and white. But Wes? No: Wes has, for years, been the most subtle, the most concerned about the slippages, the ambiguities. The most aware of the greyness.

Even if Wes had survived, he has too great an awareness of the big picture, despite his Big Pile O Angst. And I don't think he would have fit in that last image, the picture of the heroes going out swinging. Standing in the light, making their own light, holding torches to keep the dark at bay just a little bit longer. Fighting because it's all they can do -- Wes can always find something else to do.

Civilized spaces are grey. Civilization is getting along, yeah? Lawyers and contracts and compromises. Biting your tongue ("Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."), ignoring your itchy conscience, keeping your eye on the bottom line.

Barbarians and primitives have no sense of perspective, no appreciation of subtlety. (My friend Minnow noted here the astronaut/caveman discussion.) Reject the lawyers, reject the ambiguities, stand with the light at your back, facing the shadows. Fight and die, go out with a bang.

The end of season 5 is a rejection of everything that they were forced to bear in season 5: working and living in the belly of the beast. Taking Fred's death and continuing to fight from within the creature that killed her. Being a grownup. But the ones who survived aren't grownups: Illyria's eight weeks old, Gunn is still sort of the guy who traded his soul for a truck, Angel's emotionally 17, and Spike is basically 12. (Well, maybe 13.)

Works for me.


sj - May 22, 2004 10:11:27 am PDT #1363 of 3531
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I have never watched Alias, but I might have to start.


SailAweigh - May 22, 2004 10:37:21 am PDT #1364 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

It's a mobius strip of morality, twisting into darkness and back into the light.

Beautifully phrased, Consuela. It's a wonderful way of saying you can't live in the grey. You have to chose, even if you occassionally make the wrong choice. Because you always have the option, next time, of chosing differently. It's how we all express free will. So, we all are on that same Moebius strip, only at different places at different times. The MoG at the very end found themselves finally together at the same point on the strip and it was "one brief, shining moment." Perfect.


P.M. Marc - May 22, 2004 11:06:44 am PDT #1365 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Micole and Suela's brains are too spicy.

I haven't had coffee.

but one hears Edlund is being hotly pursued by one of the most promising new series of the coming season

Hmm... wanna know which ONE. I mean, I know which one I want it to be, but I doubt American Dad is considered promising.


DCJensen - May 22, 2004 11:50:00 am PDT #1366 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.

The new season of Alias doesn't start until January.


Polter-Cow - May 22, 2004 12:28:05 pm PDT #1367 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I have never watched Alias, but I might have to start.

I'm watching the first season on DVD. It's very fun. Exciting and intriguing, even though I don't know what's really going on half the time (it's McGuffin city). Cliffhangers galore, reminiscent of Angel S4. I only liked it at first, but I'm about halfway through, and I'm starting to love it.

Plus, they get supermajorprops for using a freaking Garbage B-side in one episode.


sj - May 22, 2004 12:47:25 pm PDT #1368 of 3531
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

The new season of Alias doesn't start until January.

Has there been a reason given for this, I thought it was a fairly popular series? What season is Alias in now?


Polter-Cow - May 22, 2004 12:51:04 pm PDT #1369 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Has there been a reason given for this, I thought it was a fairly popular series? What season is Alias in now?

Third season ends tomorrow. The fourth season begins in January to allow for an uninterrupted 22-episode run.


Kristen - May 22, 2004 12:54:08 pm PDT #1370 of 3531

Plus it'll take JJ that long to figure a way out from whatever asspull he ends the season with this year.


§ ita § - May 22, 2004 12:57:54 pm PDT #1371 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

NYPD Blue is doing the same thing, as is something else I forget. Starting late, and going through with no repeats or large gaps (NYPD Blue's slot was re-run free this season too -- Line Of Fire ran when NYPD Blue didn't, until it was cancelled).

The fall season is becoming fuzzier and fuzzier -- see the success of the summer show (har) The OC, which went on to finish when all its brethren did, which meant it ran 27 episodes instead of 22.